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Where's the Opposition in Iran to Oust Regime?

Welcome to the "Journal Editorial Report." I'm David Asman in this week for Paul Gigot. Well, we're about a month into Operation Epic Fury. CENTCOM claims the US has struck more than 10,000 targets in Iran. President Trump extended the deadline for Iran to either reopen the Strait of Hormuz or face the destruction of its energy plants. The operation has killed at least a dozen top regime figures, including the Ayatollah Khamenei. So, there are questions on who's actually leading the regime, who we're actually talking to, and there's still no signs of a national uprising, particularly since the regime's killing of tens of thousands of protestors last month. Let's bring in Jonathan Schanzer. He is the executive director at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. Great to see you. Well, as your name indicates, Jonathan, you're a fan of democracies, but the democracies overseas are not a particular fan of what we're doing there, and shouldn't they be? I mean, they are within shooting range of the Iranian regime. They proved that with some of their missiles. We've taken out their leadership, we've taken out their nuclear capability, most of their offensive ability. Why aren't we getting more support from our allies, particularly in Europe?

Yeah, good to see you, David. Look, I think there's a couple things going on here, and let's just remember that right before this war broke out, we had this big spat with Europe over Greenland. I think they're still a little sore from the spanking that Donald Trump delivered, and they're not easily forgetting it. They also were not brought into the plans of this war, and so maybe they feel a little left out and a bit disconnected from the United States. That's, I think, the context. Now, where we are right now, I think they don't have much of a choice. The Strait of Hormuz has been effectively closed. The Iranians have laid something, like, eight to 12 mines in the strait, making it a lot harder for traffic to get through. It's obviously hurting oil prices around the world, but the big problem for the Europeans is, they're actually going to have the slowing of the delivery of said oil, and so they are going to have to, at some point, get up off of the fence and choose a side. The big thing I think that may be hurting leaders that want to do that is that if they go back and they join forces with Donald Trump after the big public spats that occurred, they may lose the support of some of their own people.

Right.

They may be eating a bit of humble pie publicly, and so that explains some of the complexity here today.

Yeah. Well, they're already losing support because they're still stuck, many of them, on their green energy programs, which are not performing as they hope, to say the least. They're spending four times as much on energy as we are, so there's a lot of flack that they're getting from home. I wanna talk about what's happening in Iran now. First of all, we know all the damage we've done to the leadership of the regime, and we're still not exactly sure who President Trump and his negotiators are talking to, but what about the opposition? We were hoping that there would be some form of opposition rising. Of course, they killed 10,000 of their own people in order to squash that opposition, but is it possible for the United States to get involved in reviving an opposition within Iran?

Yeah, I mean, I do think that those people, I mean, they lost 35,000 people-

Unbelievable.

In the month of January, and I mean, it was a mass slaughter. And by the way, the crickets here in the West from, you know, the virtue signaling, you know, human rights crowd, it's been remarkable that they have not come out and condemned this. But really, I think what's happening right now is we're waiting to find out... It's not like we know who the leaders are. If you're a leader of the opposition in Iran and you announce yourself, the regime will kill you, so there's a reason why they are trying to kind of stay under the cover of darkness.

Of course. They're waiting in the shadows. They're also waiting for the bombs to stop dropping, right? This is not an easy environment to come out into the streets. I gotta tell you, though, my biggest concern right now is the unity of the Iranian people. There are a lot of minorities that don't see eye to eye with the Persian majority. That is gonna be our biggest challenge. And if it's the United States, the CIA, the Israeli Mossad, maybe Saudi intelligence, if they're working right now to figure out a plan to get people out into the streets and bring down the regime, yeah, they're gonna have to provide cash and weapons and intelligence and communications equipment. All that stuff, I hope, is flowing right now.

Yeah.

But the other part of this is political. Can they get the Iranian people to join hands and to join forces to bring down this regime?

Well, Jonathan, it's a huge country. I mean, 93 million people there. Who's running the infrastructure? I mean, government does have a role. I know they've killed most of the leaders, but how are they drilling for oil? How are they they selling food in the marketplace? How are their farms working, et cetera? I mean, you just wonder how things are getting done in that country now.

Yeah, I mean, never underestimate the wartime profiteering that takes place in kleptocratic regimes. That is absolutely happening. The country, by the way, was functioning under major sanctions even before the war began, and yet somehow commerce was still happening. The Iranian people are incredibly resourceful.

They are.

The thing that is interesting, though, is with those top leaders, you know, getting thinned out day after day after day, at what point will some leader come out and say, "This is unsustainable, and we're ready to start making a deal"? That is the game that I think Donald Trump is playing right now. He understands that they are under severe stress, they are buckling under the weight of this war. And somebody at some point, Donald Trump is hoping, will emerge as kind of the Delcy Rodriguez of the Iranian regime.

Well, and as you mentioned before, they are very entrepreneurial nation. They have a great history of entrepreneurial activity. You would think that they could get somebody together, but it's very difficult circumstances, to say the least.